
Following is my email interview with Waliullah Rahmani, an analyst who covers terrorism and related issues for the Jamestown Foundation. He is also a correspondent for Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty and was an analyst for saudidebate.com.
Based in his native Afghanistan, and fluent in Farsi, Pushto, Urdu, and English, I sought out Rahmani since he is one of the very few experts in this area who has this level of linguistic penetration and actually reports from ground zero, so to speak.
Who are you?
I am Waliullah Rahmani. I studied management and now work on Terrorism, political Islam and Middle East issues.
How did you end up covering jihad in Afghanistan and would you rather be running some company?
First, I have to say, what is going on in Afghanistan is not Jihad. It is an insurgency. The violence and extremist actions are directed against a democratic and legitimate government that was selected by the Afghans and supported by the international community. We do not have Jihad in Afghanistan but only anti-government extremists who call themselves the Taliban who are supported by Al Qaida and engaged in anti-government activities. They are not widely supported..
So why is what we see in Afghanistan not Jihad?
First, while the jihadis may call this jihad, there is no basis for this. Jihad has specific standards. And what is going on in Afghanistan has nothing to do with how Islam defines it.
Can you explain?
The very common meaning of Islamic Jihad or holy war is to fight against the nonIslamic countries, occupier, or the infidel forces. Based on this definition, the extremists' war against an Islamic government based on an Islamic constitution and against foreign forces who are under the supervision of this government and have entered the country with agreement of that for reconstruction and security of Afghanistan is not Jihad. It is called Baghawat (insurgency) against a legitimate government.
So how did you end up to covering terrorism, insurgency, and extremism?
Well I am a person who belongs to this country (Afghanistan) - good or bad. Like every Afghan, the main issue for me is insecurity. So we have to devote a lot of effort to securing this country which means combating terrorism and violence. Everyone has to do their share. I felt these issues had to be covered from an Afghan prospective. We could not have just Westerners providing the in-depth analysis to policy makers in the Afghan political arena. So I’m doing what I think I should be doing for my country.
Is your work risky?
Certainly. We face the Taliban, Al Qaida, and other extremists who want to suffocate every voice. Ajmal Naghashbandi, the Afghan journalist who was beheaded earlier this year in Helmand Province, reminded everyone what could happen to anyone who dares to speak or write the truth about what is going on here.
Well you talked generally of threats. Do you face any threat in your field work?
I do. In Afghanistan every thinker who wants to research in the field faces many threats. For example, researchers and thinkers run the risk of being called spies for the government or foreign forces because research is something strange for them. Because of this, the Taliban kill journalists and brutally.
So how do you protect yourself?
Well, I use different methods. First, I never let anyone really know where I am going when I travel to the south or other dangerous areas. Second, I wear local clothes. Since I have a beard and and speak the local languages, I can blend in fairly well. The goal is to be able to pass myself off as an ordinary passenger. I am also careful about never appearing in any Afghan media, so that not many people know who I am or what I really do.
Who is the most talented jihadist or strategist commander?
Since Mullah Akhtar Mohammad Osmani and Mullah Dadullah Taliban were killed, we have not seen any leader emerge with any similar strategic vision and leadership ability. Mansoor Dadullah, Mullah Dadullah’s half-brother, who was named as his replacement is not thought to have the same strategic depth or command presence his brother did. He has been able to carry on the violence, terror and suicide attacks, however.
I saw you reported that Mullah Omar objected to his selection but apparently was overruled by Al Qaeda. Why and what does this mean?
When Mullah Dadullah joined the Taliban, he was a soldier but soon became a high-ranking commander. During his command, he was willful and didn’t care much about Mullah Omar’s orders. Once during the Taliban’s governance in Kabul, he entered the capital and ordered his soldiers to eat food which had been prepared for the cabinet members’ lunch.
So Mullah Omar opposed the selection of Mullah Mansoor because Omar thought that Mansoor might be too much like his brother, Mullah Dadullah. But Al Qaeda supported the Mullah Mansoor leadership style. They wanted a brutal commander to lead their Neo-Taliban. Al Qaida wanted to replace Mullah Dadullah with someone who would act like Zarqawi had in Iraq. This shows that there is a wide rift between the Taliban and Al Qaida.
Do you see the jihadists’ base of support growing?
Unfortunately yes. Reports from the south and other parts of the country suggest that the extremists’ activities are intensifying and that locals are involved. An officer of the Afghan National Army told me recently that four years ago he could go anywhere with his vehicle and alone. Now he can’t even get from his home in Kabul to the base in Midan Wardak Province fifteen kilometers away without bodyguards. Perhaps it’s like the early years of the Jihad against Soviets. We now have the Taliban targeting military bases just as the Mujahideen used to attack the Russians.
So they don’t target civilians in Afghanistan?
No, they do kill civilians but don’t want to continue doing so it appears because in suicide attacks civilians are usually the victims. The Taliban is now dedicated to stopping the civilian killings, but they are still happy to kidnap people.
How can villagers really like these people, don’t they see what they are?
Well, Afghan villagers are mostly illiterate, extremely religious, traditional, and superstitious and the Taliban knows how to capture the imagination of this type of mentality.
Also the Afghan government and coalition forces have not been careful enough in avoiding civilian casualties and any time civilians are killed, you have villagers who then want to join the anti-government forces so they can take revenge.
The Taliban’s extreme dogma and anti-government stance seems reasonable to the villagers.
What motivates the Taliban?
Well I don’t know about their real motives, because these cannot be probed. But according to their actions and speeches, they say they are against the presence of foreign forces in Afghanistan. They call these forces occupiers. Second, they call the present Afghan state a client of the foreigners. And third, they say their goal is to revive God’s government in God’s land, - that is, Amarat Islami.
You don’t think you’ll see a similar revolt in Afghanistan as we’re seeing in places like Anbar Province in Iraq where the Sunnis have figured out that Al Qaeda is also a foreign occupying force and one that is harsher and has longer designs than the Americans and their coalition?
No, I don’t think the situation might change in this way in Afghanistan. What you see in Iraq is completely different from Afghanistan. Al Qaida is Sunni , comprised mostly of Wahhabi Muslims and it is behind most of the sectarian violence in Iraq. But after years of violence, the Hanafi Sunnis of Iraq are now rethinking their alliance with the Wahhabis in Al Qaeda because they were a nation as Iraqis for many decades.
But what we see in Afghanistan is different from Iraq. In Afghanistan, Al Qaeda was born and raised. Then this jihad network established subgroups outside of Afghanistan, in other countries.
Afghans especially in the southern and eastern provinces care about their traditions. In Pushtunwali and traditional Afghan culture, if a person comes into the domain of a tribe seeking shelter, he is respected as a guest to the extent that the members of the tribe would give their life for this guest rather than turn him in to his enemy. These types of traditions are the obstacle to any revolt against Al Qaeda in many parts of Afghanistan.
So Afghanistan is losing yet another generation to Jihad?
Unfortunately, the answer to that question is yes. In the past five years, once again, Afghan youth have lost almost all access to other types of opportunities.
Can you talk about some of the friends you have lost? Do your Hazara friends subscribe to the Taliban’s jihad too?
My friends have not joined the Taliban. Because they are Hazara and mostly Shia and they don’t subscribe to the Taliban’s insurgency.
But there may be some Sunni Hazara, members of Hizb-e Islami and other Islamist parties, who may have joined.
What is your advice on how to counter Jihad?
Well as I said before, Jihad has conditions and every brutal action against humans should not be called Jihad. It’s not only inaccurate, it is also counter productive to keep using this word jihad. Because even if this serves the jihadists’ purposes, you do not want ordinary Muslims feeling that they have to join this jihad to fight a war they are being told is against Islam.
So to counter the violence and insurgency then, first and foremost, the government has to provide economic opportunity for its citizens. As long as there is high unemployment, the Taliban will have a recruitment angle. Then the government also has to extend services to the villagers. Right now only Kabul is being properly served and Afghanistan is not only Kabul. Also, government corruption must be reined in otherwise people won’t trust the government.
The government also needs to counter the Taliban’s message. It needs to encourage the moderate interpretation of Islam to counter the fanatical one. Afghans are a traditional and deeply religious people. The mullahs play key roles so the government needs to promote moderate clerics who can counter the radical interpretation of Islam being espoused by the extremists.
Finally, something has to be done to diminish the ethnic tension in the country. The government can’t stand by as Uzbeks or Hazara get slaughtered.
Why are the Uzbeks and Hazara being attacked?
Well Afghanistan is a country where tribe and ethnicity is very important for people. So though there is a democratic government in place, many officials only work to strengthen their tribe or ethnic group.
In the case of the Uzbeks, the most sensitive issue was the violence which occurred in Shiberghan where many Uzbek civilians were killed. The governor was not Uzbek, so there was ethnic tension.
In the case of the Hazara people, the nomadic Kochies came to Hazarajat and ethnic tensions flared and many Hazaras were killed. Unfortunately, some people were under the influence of the Taliban and it almost became a national crisis. After 50 days of violence in the Behsud district, the Shia politicians in the central government decided unofficially to leave if something was not done to force the Kochies to leave the district.
And do you really think that any central government based in Kabul could really gain control of all of Afghanistan? Isn’t this just some Western pipedream? Would a better approach be to hold the tribes responsible for their areas of influence as opposed to politicians in Kabul?
Based on democracy, a government never can implement its orders and demands through force or brutal actions. What the government can do is pave the ground for getting elected leaders in every province and district.
Unfortunately, now whoever is sent to a province is just responsible to President Karzai or the interior minister, not the people. So these provincial leaders never need to take into account the peoples’ expectations.
If the provinces could elect their own leaders, they could hold them accountable. It doesn’t matter if it’s federalism or democracy - in my view, this is the only way to strengthen the central government and secure and develop Afghanistan.
Thank you for your comments, Rahmani. May God keep you out of harm’s way.
Sharon, you are welcome. Thanks for your prayers for me.